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Old 10-03-2019, 05:51 PM
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Question 2005+ 3rd Gen RWD to 4x4 Conv. -- Chassis Differences?

Hey Everyone!

I am new to Dodge Dakotas, I just picked one up a few months ago. Its a 3rd Gen 2007 ST, RWD, Club Cab, V6 with 6-Speed Getrag.

SO, I might be crazy but I am just toying with ideas right now, but information on these is hard to find. I am thinking of doing a RWD to 4x4 Conversion on mine. I know it will be easier and probably more cost effective to just trade in and buy the 4x4... BUT... mine is really clean and it has the Manual transmission in it which is hard to find in a 4x4 without being rusted to high heaven. If it is clean, I have to get it to WI or pay more than double the price (I shopped for MONTHS for mine). Also, I didn't expect it but I already have a huge sentimental attachment to this truck, its great!

On the 1st and 2nd Gen, I know the frames and front ends are different between 4x4 and RWD, but on the third gen I keep finding snippets saying "new common front end" that share many 4x4 and RWD components... is this true? Does anyone know how common the front ends are?? It sounds like it could possibly be an "easy" swap without tons of custom metal work. I know there will need to be some.

I know the rear of the trans needs to be changed for transfer case but I am not afraid of that...many options. I would probably go with a manual T-Case from a Jeep here. My main question is about the front end and drive line.

My end goal in mind is a cool, V8 4x4 Manual Dakota that isn't rusted to hell!

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Reading through the 2005 FSM (3rd generation), and checking the front suspension parts on RockAuto, it appears that there is a lot of commonality between the 2WD and 4x4 models. They both use struts (which the FSM insists on calling shock absorbers with coil springs) and it appears the control arms, spindles, tie rods, and ball joints are the same. The hubs differ to accomodate the axle shaft on the 4x4. The engine mounts are different between 2WD and 4x4 as the front differential is bolted to the engine mount. There are also different part numbers for the (manual) transmission mounts between 2WD and 4x4.

Overall, it looks do-able. Certainly much easier than it would be with a 1st or 2nd generation Dakota (if it can be done at all!).
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They both use struts (which the FSM insists on calling shock absorbers with coil springs) and it appears the control arms, spindles, tie rods, and ball joints are the same.
Actually, oldmarine, they ARE coil over shocks; they are not MacPherson struts, and are only called that because marketting droids do the parts books, not technicians.

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Thanks Ralph. One of my goals in life is to learn something every day. Today it came early!
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Thanks Fellas! I appreciate it. Oldmarine (sounds like my dad lol) thanks for taking the time to look all that up... I was planning on going through and doing that exact exercise and make a spreadsheet right now but you saved me the trouble.

That is really cool, after reading about 1st and 2nd Gen Dakotas I was a bit discouraged there but now I am excited as I might actually pursue this. It's all going to be down to how much I can get the front drive parts and the T-case. My poor wife is going to have to listen to me now.

Yeah they do look like legitimate coil overs in there, thanks for clarifying that too Ralph.

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