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Hello from Utah. I recently picked up a 01 Dakota quad cab 4wd. 4.7 V8 , 165,000 miles.
Tell me all about em. Any things to look out for, sensors I should be replacing soon ?
I'll be towing a 6x10 V-nose cargo trailer with it on our longer vaca trips.

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Had this code pop up after a total shutdown on the freeway. Whatcha think it is ?
AAA to the rescue. 40 miles from home.
((Edit::;;;; it did cut out for a second or 2 a few times before the total shutdown. ))

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I can only take a semi-educated guess, but it is my understanding that the PCM needs to get a valid signal from the cam & crank position sensors (cmp & ckp) or it will not energize the ASD relay. Voltage to the coil (in your case coilS as in plural) & to the injectors goes through the ASD relay.

So I would think it would be the circuit from the PCM to the ASD relay or the cmp &/or ckp or their circuits (except I was thinking that there was a specific code for either of them) or actually at the PCM itself.
The ASD relay is controlled by the PCM. The ASD relay provides 12 volts to the coils and the fuel injectors. The PCM controls the individual coils and fuel injectors by providing a ground as necessary. The PCM monitors when the ASD relay is providing power to the coils and injectors with a feedback loop. The wires providing power to the coils and injectors are colored dark green with an orange tracer. The feedback wire is also colored dark green with an orange tracer and it goes back to the PCM at pin 12 on connector 3. There is an additional component in this network of wires -- a capacitor, apparently for noise suppression for the radio.

Because the engine quit suddenly, I would suspect (based on the P1389 code) that the wire feeding back to the PCM suddenly lost power -- it was either broken, or possibly all the coils and injectors lost power at that same time (ASD relay went bad?). But on a hunch, I'm thinking the capacitor may have failed. In the old points/condenser (capacitor) ignition systems, when the condenser went bad, the coil would not provide spark. This is not the purpose of this capacitor, but the effect can be the same -- no power. I have no idea where it is located; the FSM just says on the left side of the engine. But look for a small component with a single dark green/orange wire going to it. The wiring diagram indicates it is grounded by its mounting bracket. If it failed, it may be partially grounding the coil/injector power system. Disconnect the wire, but don't let it touch any ground. Then see if the engine will start.

If the capacitor is not the problem, and the ASD relay checks out okay, you'll have to trace and troubleshoot the wires (dark green/orange) in the coil/injector power system.
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Had this code pop up after a total shutdown on the freeway. Whatcha think it is ?
AAA to the rescue. 40 miles from home.
Modstock, how did you make out with this?
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I replaced both the crank and cam sensors since I dont know thier history and probably should be replaced at 173k.
Took it for a test drive. Runs really good and my mpg increased alot.
Never even seen 16.3mpg's before.
I'll probably test it with the trailer next weekend before I do another trip.
Pics.
1.) Cam
2.) Crank sensor
3.) Bonus mpg's.
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I replaced both the crank and cam sensors since I dont know thier history and probably should be replaced at 173k.
Took it for a test drive. Runs really good and my mpg increased alot.
Never even seen 16.3mpg's before.

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That's interesting.
I'm hoping that fixes it. While under there I inspected the wiring. Everything looks in good shape. All the heat shields still there.
Was super surprised that they were easy to get to. 😳
That's an engineer I like. 👍
I'm hoping that fixes it.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. After I read OldMarine's reply & after I thought about it, I wouldn't have expected the crank &/or cam position sensor to have generated that particular code.
This morning it started up fine and when I went on lunch break it took a few tries to get it started when I was at the gas station (engine warm).
No codes yet.
I'll drive it the rest of the week to see if anything pops up.
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This morning it took 2 trys to get the engine to start. Same code popped up.
Looking at the fuse/relay box under the hood. I dont see a ASD relay.
Could It be the "engine" relay ?
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It is. According to the FSM, what is called 'Engine Relay' in your picture is called 'ASD' in the manual. It's right next to the radiator fan relay.

Aside from your question, these pictures of the diagram in the cover and the actual location of the components show how confusing trying to located fuses and relays (especially) can be. Note that on the diagram the box identified as "A" must be moved to the left of the lower part of the box identified as "B" (see at the top of the diagram) in order to show the correct locations. I don't know which engineer dreamed this up, or why it was approved as a viable solution. I've seen many professional mechanics on YouTube confounded by this. :unsure:
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, these pictures of the diagram in the cover and the actual location of the components show how confusing trying to located fuses and relays (especially) can be.
And I thought it was just me! (I thought that I must be a tad dyslectic.)
Some of these engineers need a smack upside the head.
Went to autozoo and brought in the relay. It doesn't come up under any names (asd or engine relay). Had to cross reference the numbers on the relay itself 56006707 .
The 1st unit didn't work being a headlight relay.
Went for a ignition or starter relay.

Starts up and no code so far.
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Starts up and no code so far. View attachment 4429
I'll wish you luck on this as well. I am kind of thinking, however, that "no ASD relay output at the PCM" is not as simple as the ASD relay not functioning & the circuit being open. Keep us posted.
Modstock, did replacing the ASD/eng relay solve it?
I think so. Haven't had any issues yet.
Gonna do a test tow with the trailer tomorrow.
I think so. Haven't had any issues yet.
Gonna do a test tow with the trailer tomorrow.
Good deal! I didn't think that the relay itself malfunctioning would cause that code, but I am often mistaken. Hopefully that cured it.
I think so. Haven't had any issues yet.
Gonna do a test tow with the trailer tomorrow.
I've been meaning to ask whether replacing the ASD/ENG relay fixed the issue & kept that code from coming back?
I gave it a test drive with the trailer over the weekend. Did well. No issues. Seemed smoother and a bit more power. We have a trip coming up in a few weeks, I'll report back on how it did .
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